City Council - Public Works and Natural Resources Committee

welcome back to the afternoon committee Mee meetings of the Bellingham city council up next we have public works and natural resources and that committee is chaired by council member Stone thank you very much president protm huthman um I am joined this afternoon on the public works and natural resources committee by council members Anderson who's joining us remotely and council member Lil Quist who is here in Chambers with me um we have a couple of items before us this afternoon the first of which is agenda Bill 2490 this is regarding a noise variance for wurn sanitary sewer replacement Paving EU 190 so fav construction the contractor for the wurn sanitary sewer replacement project is requesting a variance from the requirements of the city's noise ordinance BMC 10241 120 for resurfacing work at night in the residential area on wurn Street between Texas Street and Barkley Boulevard and between Frasier Street and Old wurn Street in the Roosevelt and Barkley neighborhoods Faber has requested to complete the paving work on the project at night to minimize traffic impacts and to ensure the safety of both workers and residents as described in the attached request the noise variants would allow for night work between 8:00 p.m.

for up to 10 working days beginning on April 22nd 2024 staff concur that completing the work at night is in the public interest as it minimizes disruptions to traffic and provides for the safety of the public and contractor um for this item I'm first going to turn to Eric Johnston Public Works director thank you Mone Eric Johnston Public Works uh so the noise requ noise exemption is variance exemption the request is pretty straightforward in terms of the noise for some night workk out there but we wanted to take just a minute to talk about the project it's been going longer than any of us would like uh residents the city and of course the contractor as well uh so Mr Mike Wilson is going to talk a little bit about the projects St us and where we're at and be available for questions if you might have any our recommendation is of course to approve the noise variants but we thought might take the opportunity to provide some background on on the status of the project thank you I'm Mike Wilson city engineer assistant director of Public Works over engineering I wanted to touch on three things the overall project schedule and some of the unforeseen conditions or the difficulties on the project that we've encountered and then Circle back to schedule and talk about the the next couple of months and what we anticipate as we get to the finish line on the this one the uh the overall project this was initially contemplated in the 2016 what Wastewater conveyance plan and as a project in

there there was three factors the pipeline was undersized the uh there were some stretches that had been damaged the bottom had rotted out and there were some that had been suffered damage to some sulfuric acid uh H2S the rotten egg smell in gas uh so there the project identified those things and the the work needed attention we started working the project about 5 years later in uh late 2021 got some surveyors on board for 20122 did in-house design so this was produced by our engineering staff in terms of the construction plans and and contract documents and it went to bid in January February of 23 so uh early last year awarded by the city council contract award on February 27th with hopes of being done last October or November and that's where we get into the unforeseen conditions as we got into construction we encountered a couple things uh uh deep trench work we had uh trenches 15 to 20 ft deep found groundwater in the trenches uh which led to unstable trench walls so there became a safety concern for the public the traveling public and the workers uh in that vicinity long story short that slowed us down we also um encountered some utility conflicts that were un unforeseen um usually telecommunications uh pipes are 2 or 3 ft deep and uh we encountered them on the order of 8 fet deep and that adjusted some of the the Project Dynamics so those are some of the conditions wrapping forward to our current status uh the initial request for this variance came with they anticipated

doing grinding and Paving uh at night the we can report that the grinding is complete and there's that work will not be happening happening at night uh the they've completed that portion of it so it looks to be limited to just the the paving work uh starting on April 22nd weather permitting in the 10 calendar days what does that mean to the project completion we've got uh a 28 day period where after the paving happens before we can put P pavement marking down uh we we want to wait uh 28 days to let the asphalt cure and uh in addition to that uh we've got manholes to raise water valves to raise so we're anticipating it'll be the end of June before we're completely out of there U as we take advantage of this warm weather Paving season so again Echo what Eric said we we as we analyze this we recommend approval of the variants thank you very much I'll turn to committee council member lillquist thanks for the information on on this uh while this project is taking a little longer it was necessary so it had to happen um this is about a mile long stretch or something how much pavement can be done per night in other words it won't be 10 nights in front of every house but how much can they get done do how how much um noise would say an average person have to be experienced one or two days one one night only and then they'll get done with their section they move on to the next block some impression about how long they can get through the the whole one mile or whatever it is got that one

uh uh Craig Mueller project engineer for public works I'm the project engineer on the project and uh the current plan uh is to start on the main section between uh Texas Street and uh and Barkley Boulevard and they figure that it will they would be able to do it in two nights of pre-work or uh sorry pre-level and uh four nights of final lift for everything so we we be looking at approximately six nights of work and if your residence was was right there it isn't going to be 10 nights directly in front of your house it's it's a moving Target um I always see it as more of a a ballet of construction equipment between the pavers the uh the street sweeping the trucks the uh uh the compactors it's a lot of equipment that slowly moves so it would be likely a couple of hours on each of those nights as they are out outside of each individual property and there was some some fluff worked in there with the uh the 10 days uh to allow for weather uh weather issues or anything unforeseen so i' had a followup question I guess about the project itself that Craig might be the best answer but then also a legal question maybe for um the City attorney so just confirming that the noise variance if approved by the council that takes effect immediately there's no wait for that to take effect that's correct okay um so with that I know that um from faor construction was saying that there would be notice provided to the homes right that are going to be impacted and it looked like there were going to be

10 days notice in advance um but right now we're like 7 days out from the 22nd so just confirming that that would still be able to be complied with uh yes it will because all of the uh the properties were already uh notifications were distributed ahead of time uh because of that that requirement okay great um and then when you were mentioning the 10 days does that include those evenings is that weekends as well or when it said working days uh it's 10 working days so that would be by definition Monday through Friday their plan would be to work um Monday through Thursday nights um um and not on Friday other questions from committee members one more one more thought so one of the things we find with this nightwork for this type of construction is sometimes the noise of the paving pavers themselves is not very offensive it's the backup alarms so so on these trucks and those backup alarms can be heard from a long distance away unfortunately and sometimes we get the request can we turn the backup of alarms off and we cannot so so there's a noise from the actual people doing the work but oftentimes the complaints that we get are more to the to the beep beep beep of those big trucks as they back up to to do the paving and we just unfortunately cannot we ask them to only move forward well yeah but no but we we do I I mentioned that because we do recognize that it's it is not a very uh Pleasant thing to have the type of construction activity Cur in front of your home even if it's for a

short period of time or per period of days we recognize that uh we just ask for a little bit patience to get this done we this is taking a lot longer than any of us like to see I sometimes have used the analogy that sometimes these underground projects are akin to redoing your kitchen you've taken a taken the cabinets off and You' discovered things behind the cabinets that you weren't planning to see and your kitchen Ro model which was going to take a month is now taken six uh in some cases as Mr Wilson alluded to as we had had planned for the very deep trenches that was a planned activity the groundwater conditions were much worse than we had anticipated and that was the direct result of that uh and but we're excited to get this thing wrapped up as quickly as possible so a little bit of pain here at finish and we'll be done as soon as we can I'm going to go ahead and move approval so there's a motion before us to um to move approval of the noise variance there's no further discussion from committee I'll call the question all in favor we'll say I I I any opposed or abstentions okay seeing none that passes three Z and I'll bring forward that recommendation this evening thank you very much okay so the next item before for us is agenda Bill 24091 this is a 2024 Community Tree program so healthy trees provide benefits in reducing potential impacts of urban storm water runoff trees also provide benefits in adapting to climate change the council authorized a one-time $100,000

expenditure from the surface and storm water fund for tree planting in the community to ACR those benefits and to make progress towards the goals of the climate action plan the 2024 Community Tree program will use the authorized funding to support tree planting efforts across Bellingham and include coupons for trees at local nurseries Partnerships with local nonprofit organizations and neighborhood associations providing trees directly to residents at no cost and other educational efforts um for this item I'm first going to T turn to Public Works director Eric Johnston thank you m Sten so I just want to take just a minute to acknowledge and appr express appreciation for a number of Staff who've been working on this uh this this particular product project or activity as was mentioned earlier in the presentation about the urban forestry plan uh as an early action and and the proposal that was put forward by the department uh and the administration last fall was about aund was $100,000 for the surface and stormwater fund to do a to see what we could do in terms of planting trees on private property in 2024 well that's not regular course of business for for staff that's something new and we did not ask for more staff to put this together so over the last four months five months Renee lroy and anelise burns particular have led a team of people to outside of their normal course of business in addition to work that they have to do a team together to achieve a goal which is to find a

way to get that money put to use for Community Tree programs within the city of Bellingham and I just wanted to once say thanks thanks for their efforts um they had me saying get this done get this done and they say we can't we can't and they said yes you can and they said yes we can and they got it done so I'm I'm really quite pleased with that I just want to call about by name name a couple of folks Analise Burns and and and Renee lroy who are really the the two two leaders of this effort Riley Grant in our Communications Group along with Stephanie selenon and Haley Sanders in our Communications Group setting up all of the things to get this out to the public Aon burkart Victoria Miller Nelson Lee Holly Rogers uh Scott havl and Rush Duncan just putting a tremendous amount of time and effort and creativity to do things that they had never done before outside of the department we have uh Nick Baris Melanie Al and Matt stamps who also found ways to make things work and put the websites together and the financing and the legal mechanisms to do that and within the department Carla Buckingham on the on the city's finances for Public Works to keep track of what we're doing so not a there's not a lot we can do in the public sector for acknowledgement but I think it's worth crediting people by name for the work that they've done that's that's new it's not something we have done before um and adapting those skills that they have in other areas to put to bear in this particular work

so I'm really pleased and proud of the work that they've done I know the mayor lond has commented on that as well so we're we're glad to see the work of this team coming together to meet the goal that was established and we're pleased to report on that today so with that Analise is going to walk us through a couple of the details thank you uh director Johnston it's been a pleasure to work with this team they're very talented and um very forward positive uh people to work with so our pleasure so this is uh I'm Analise Burns habitat and restoration manager public works department this is our presentation on our new Community Tree programs we're really proud to stand these programs up um in short order to um respond to council and mayor and public interest why are we doing this uh as in your Council packet we talk about the climate action plan talking about trees planting more trees really is fulfilling our climate action plan goals in the land use section of the climate action plan there is a natural system protection and restoration measure that is to sequester carbon and we do that in part by protecting and conserving our forests which includes our street trees and looking at our landscape practices and we restore degraded lands so planting more trees stewarding trees as part of the climate action plan in addition to the climate action plan for sequestering carbon we're also looking at climate adaptation trees are very important for climate adaptation as we look uh to

changing climate and how we're going to adapt and be more resilient in the face of those changes so we want shade for streams and lakes and wetlands we want shade to reduce our heat island effects for humans in our built environment we want habitat diversity and resilience so animals and Fish and Wildlife that need um Refuge have a diversity of habitats that they can turn to and then of course as part of climate adaptation we're reducing F Wildfire Risk by looking at where do we have trees how are we stewarding them and making sure that we're all aware uh and and um planning for risk we're also doing it to help we're doing our community tree programs to help meet our Urban Forest plan goals earlier today I gave a presentation on a draft Urban Forest plan it hasn't been adopted by Council but we know that we're headed in the same direction of wanting to do more for our Urban forest and uh part of doing more is uh coming up with a strategic plan for a healthy and desirable Urban forest for the benefits of habitat and biodiversity there's Health and Social benefits of our Urban Forest um that includes Recreation it includes um reducing stress and fatigue it also includes cultural significance of some trees and it includes identity of our sense of place there's climate and storm water benefits to trees and of course there's economic benefits uh economic benefits include U approximately $6.3 Million worth of annual Services um just for storm water and some of the um erosion and

water related benefits and then $42 million estimated for Bellingham for carbon sequestration so our community trees program are not doing all of these benefits but they're a small piece of the larger puzzle of an urban Forest plan just to step back a minute and talk about what is an urban Forest we're talking about all the trees there is a definition that's generally accepted um that is all trees vegetation soils and Associated natural processes and cultural elements Urban forests are found in towns cities and other communities where people reside we're talking about trees um in and amongst cities and other urban areas and you can simplify that to an urban Forest is all the trees it's a tree in your backyard it's a tree on a Boulevard it's a tree in a forest it's all the trees on public or private land and for our purposes we're talking about within the city limits for this presentation we are focusing on the private land part of it so a lot of what on the city can do with the actions that we have and the budgets that we have is on our public land and we're doing a lot of good already on our public land but one of the gaps we recognized when we were looking at an urban Forest plan uh in phase one of our Urban Forest plan was the private land um could use some additional incentives and some reducing some barriers that's what this program is designed to do the urban Forest plan overall is a three-phase project phase one was assessment of what is our existing conditions of our

forest that was completed in 2021 phase two was reaching out to the community what do they expect what do they want from their Urban Forest that's where we also learned where the barriers were and where we could help uh Implement some incentives to help do what they want uh for urban Forest even on their own properties that was in phase two that was completed in 2022 we got that feedback and we've been working most uh recently on taking the results from Phase 1 and phase two and developing the actual plan it takes a long time to develop a plan especially one that is um thoughtful on incorporating the feedback and also making sure that we are um weaving our different Community Values together so we can have a successful implementable plan as we develop that plan there's some early actions that we know that we want to do community tree programs as part of those early actions and so that's what we've been simultaneously working on while we're working on the plan we are working on implementing early actions and that's what we're bringing forward to you in part today um is the Community Tree programs as part of our early actions or in my previous presentation we called it the quick start I want to thank Council for that $100,000 that director Johnston mentioned that 100,000 that was approved in the midby anent budget was what we are using to implement these new programs we're calling them Community Tree programs plural because there's multiple multiple programs under that umbrella

so we'll go through uh what the different programs are and the cost where we're spending that $100,000 I want to acknowledge that we already do some Community work and so the Community Tree pro programs does include for instance the park volunteer program is a community- based program it's primarily focused on public land but it would be considered Under the Umbrella of the Community Tree programs as well uh I'm going to be presenting today the new programs that we are developing with $1,000 these new programs were designed uh to help meet draft goals in the draft Urban Forest plan so there's six goals on how we can improve management and um stewardship of our Urban forests and the one in particular that applies to today for this presentation is number five so that collaborate with diverse people and organizations and urban Forest management how can we work with the community to meet uh our goals for climate our goals for resiliency and the other goals listed on this slide again these are the draft goals they have not been adopted by Council but they are guiding the work for the Community Tree programs so in addition to these goals what's guiding the Community Tree program and the development of uh the incentives that we chose is what we learned in phase two of the community tree or of the urban Forest plan phase two again was when we went out to the public and asked them what they expected of their Urban Forest what were the barriers what we learned oh excuse me actually

this was phase one this is our assessment of our existing uh Forest condition what we learned was the tree canopy is not evenly distributed across our community right there's places that have a lot of trees places that don't have as many trees and we have a better picture of that distribution of trees we also know that private land has the greatest need for additional trees and the greatest potential for adding more trees is on private land not public we learned that we need to address equity in the access to benefits we have some Hales and Have Nots in our City and we want to um provide more Equitable access and uh even access out and finally we learned that neighborhoods and nonprofits are already doing great work and we want to harness that work support what they're doing and U make sure that we're all working together toward the same goals what we heard is also guiding our work and what we heard was from phase two so that was where we reached out to the community and asked for input in 2022 and what we heard was that the community and Council wants us to increase canopy cover that's where we came up with that canopy cover growth Target what we heard um in my previous presentation how do we increase canopy covered together how do we do it by increasing Partnerships because that was also what we heard an expectation that the city do more to work with other organizations and entities that are doing good work in the in forestry we also heard that we want that the community

expected us to reduce barriers to tree planting on private land specifically the financial burden it takes to plant a tree the knowledge of H how do you plant a tree how do you select a tree what are the different um uh components that go into caring for a tree and then also can we provide tools that can help them with their work he this is like a touch screen I'm sorry I'm going to put my hand away from the Arrow um so I covered that slide okay so we took what we uh the goals from our draft plan and what we learned and what we heard and we developed the Community Tree programs and there's four new ones so in addition to the uh park volunteer program that's already doing great work and um and we work with them Public Works and Parks works together to support that work we also wanted to add four additional programs so I'll go through one uh go through each one individually and how much we're spending and you know what the status is of each first is the small and simple neighborhood grants we already have a small and simple neighborhood grant program we are really excited to add another component to that existing grant program this is for uh neighborhoods they would be uh open into applying for $5,000 for each neighborhood to apply for tree planting efforts and that uh is 40% of the $100,000 that was approved 40% will go toward that program and then um this will be open the status is it'll be open very soon they're just working on the 2024 uh opening for that small and simple

grant program second is Community Partnerships this is uh looking to nonprofits and working with them to say what are they already doing that is related to um urban forestry how can what they do align with the uh Urban Forest plan and how we can support what they're doing financially so 45% of the funding is proposed to go to Community Partnerships we've already reached out to uh six nonprofits and the school district um that are identified as like working in this area and interested in partnering with the city we're in active conversations with those nonprofits and we're also having an all call um uh request for anyone that we forgot and we will um be interested in partnering with anyone that has the interest and capacity to u to start something this year if they don't have the capacity this year we will continue those conversations in case there's funding in future years we'd love to work with them on how they can be involved in future years we're doing tree giveaways uh this is happening already and we have 2% of the funding going to this program it doesn't need a lot of funding trees themselves are not actually expensive it's getting them in the ground that's expensive um so the tree giveaways this is just an exciting event to bring awareness uh to the need for more trees in our community and we've had a really positive response uh the first tree giveaway was the opening in the Bellingham uh Farmers Market on April 6th we're having another couple in conjunction with Earth

Day and um on the April 6th opening at Bellingham Armor's Market this is the picture that's shown here we gave out trees and then we'll resume or we'll continue those tree giveaways all the way through the fall finally the fourth program is our tree coupon program so this is uh similar to other jurisdictions where there is a little bit more flexibility if someone wants a tree but they want to be able to choose the tree that's right for them both the species and the size this allows us to um partner with a local nurseries so 133% of our funding will be used to partner with local nurseries where we have a coupon that's good for um a select number of trees and the um anyone that's interested can apply up to they for three coupons they get three coupons for $30 off each uh they can bring those into a local participating nursery and get $30 off so it's up to them whether they want to buy a tree that's $30 or less and so essentially it's a free tree or whether they want to buy a more expensive tree and get 30 $30 off that total so it provides a little bit more flexibility uh for those individuals it also lets them get the tree on their own timing when they want it and that is coming in Fall 2024 we're working with nurseries right now the solicitation is out for nurseries and we'll have the coupons available in Fall just in time for the fall fall planting season these this information now is on a new web page it's Community Tree programs we have uh links to all these different

programs people can find information about how to access these incentives and also there's a lot of new um great guidance documents on the that knowledge barrier that we talked about there's some guidance documents on um how to plant a tree how to care for a tree and best practices so this is meant to be One-Stop shopping and we uh plan to come back in 2025 and give you um a report on how well these are doing we have some metrics that we're going to keep track of and show you how that $100,000 was spent and how successful it was I'll close thank you thank you very much anything further from staff before I turn back to the council um committee members any questions council member Anderson thank you I'm also using a touch screen so it's a little picky um thank you for the presentation and really glad to see uh how this money is being spent uh partnership with our um our community is going to be vital given the land base the city could only do so much but uh I was wondering um if not part of this project then maybe in the future are we working towards where we have a list of uh preferred trees based on climate change um things are shifting and so I know in one of the reports that we just read that certain trees will be struggling with uh basically the changing of our our weather locally and some species are going to struggle to survive and others might begin to thrive better um given that change and I think that education aspect especially um towards coupons um if we're

encouraging people to plant trees privately helping educ them what is going to have um the best impact uh for carbon sequ question for shade um hydrology all those things so are we going to be providing a list of trees of the future that we want to encourage the public to plant you for that question uh council member Anderson we the short answer is we will be addressing uh your question it's more I guess appropriately addressed in the urban Forest plan itself so the urban Forest plan has a climate uh goal in it and one of the actions under there is to look at our practices currently and come up with um more proactive um I guess a lists of trees that are more appropriate for for the um climate in the future we are already doing that uh informally both parks department and the public works department do that informally when we choose plants and we share notes and we're part of a um an informal local group that shares information about uh climate resiliency and and what we're looking forward um looking for basically risks like pests and then also trees that are showing promise for resilience there's a lot of organizations um including the um USDA and Forest Service that's doing research that we need to incorporate so the urban Forest plan has actually for us to do that more formally where we adopt um climate resilient tree lists and then also to update our street tree list to incorporate those trees but because we do it informally already the list for the tree coupon program is

informed by that informal knowledge that we already have they are trees that we believe will be uh successful and they're also trees that are approved already on our street tree list in case people want to apply for planting the tree Tree in a right of way then that tree would be eligible if they wanted to have a street tree permit for that plant and then also they are um trees that are available and recommended by the local nurseries so we have the select number of trees tries to bring all that knowledge together so it makes it easy for someone to pick a plant without them having to do all the research we've done a lot of behind the scenes research but still allow them to have some Choice thank you I appreciate that information is going out to the public espe esally in regards to the coupons um I've been doing the research myself trying to figure out uh what trees would be best to plant um and it's not necessarily easy to go through all the science so I'm glad we're helping uh the community with some of that information so I just had one question I don't know that well maybe a question or just some support um with respect to the metrics that you're saying to collect I one of my big questions I think about it in connection with work parties too that a number of the nonprofits locally do it's a great community building exercise and um hopefully there's some environmental benefit there as well but I do always wonder you know those other pieces about education it's like the tree

itself is one piece but getting it in the ground and then hoping that it actually survives and prospers right um so if there's any insight at this point about the metrics that we're going to be able to collect or to what degree we'll be able to sort of track track those Investments yeah well first of all thank you uh for coming to to our uh Community work parties I know several of you have attended and it's fun to see folks out it is a really exciting uh time but you're right people need to be able to um have the knowledge to be able to care for that tree and be ready to take care of that tree it's it's like having a little baby I suppose a little easier than a human maybe but um so those resources we're trying to make sure that people have the resources that they um need on our website so that's one piece that barrier of knowledge we're trying to reduce that barrier um but as far as metrics and Reporting back um we're viewing these as pilot projects so this is a one-year funding we are um learning from other jurisdictions about how they have rolled out these programs and what we can do in the first year and um we hope that we get funding to continue this in the future and improve on it so for the first year the metrics that we're planning on reporting back are the number of trees away and the um where they went so did they go to high or to low tree Equity areas um and then of course all the Partnerships you know the the um entities that were involved in doing this work in

the future this is this is the reporting um it's another level up to be able to report whether that tree survived and be able to monitor it that takes additional time and we're trying to figure out is that something that we would hire out is that a nonprofit would help with going back and monitoring is this something that we would ask people to voluntar voluntarily submit a photo proving their tree is alive you know so these are puzzles that we look forward to solving in the future that we felt um we shouldn't need to have to solve this puzzle this year um we're going to report the number trees out and then in future years work on that you know what the surv percent survival is and Victor Johnson or just want to add to that um when we work when we when we hand the trees out there's also instructions um and best management practices of how to store that particular tree species and then when we work with the nurseries the idea is to put together a kit that helps them get the watering down get the staking down and do all that so we're hoping that we're sending out enough information with the trees to have a fairly High success rate and I wouldn't be doing my job as a director if I didn't say that one of the metrics is the amount of time and effort and Staffing it takes to deliver on these programs so I think that's a very key metric to this how does this result in the future these folks did a tremendous job getting this program up and running this year it's not sustainable to

have them continue to do that in future years so part of the metric is how to be delivered to make that program sustainable over the long term so I think all those things are kind of going into that in in my conversations with the staff my focus was to get the project underway and up and running let's worry about the metrics at a later point in time so let's see how aggressive we can be to put this money to use to get trees in people's yards through all the various programs we've described here today it was wonderful to see the first 160 some odd trees be handed out at the Farmers Market we had 450 available right so we have trees to to to provide for folks i' like to see those trees being put into good use and how Mo how can we be most effective at getting the trees into people's yards uh in the way that they're successful and having the staff to support that over the long term so lots of metrics still to be developed part of the programs to say how is it working and what metrics would we assign to that uh and do we come back in the in the budget process for 202 25 26 and say Here's a new program of these four things do we continue all three of them all four of them do we add a fifth do we subtract some and how do we support that with the Staffing to make sure that they are successful thank you very much for that feedback um and it's an important note that these are pilot projects and I'm just starting from from the ground up I'm hopeful that you know through these projects

because we're so dependent upon these Investments being made on private property in the community um that it will have you know a pretty profound impact just from that buy in and and collaboration I think about the work parties that we'd gone to and a little tree right that my daughter pled when she was little and she named it FR and it was in watom Falls Park and whenever we'd go on walks it's like she remembered you know now she's almost 16 but she remembered she be like oh we have to stop by and see how you know my I'm like really are you sure that it's that one out of this big little plot but um just to build that connection is it's pretty cool so yes thank you again as um director Johnson mentioned for the broad support um and work from staff to to make this possible so we appreciate it thank you for the presentation um with that that's end of Public Works and natural resources for this afternoon I will turn it back to you president proam Huffman thank you council member Stone and we will take a short break before our next committee