City Council - Public Works and Natural Resources Committee

good morning um welcome to the public works and natural resources committee we're going to get started this morning um I am joined by council members normally council members Anderson and lillquist council member list is not with us this morning so I'm gonna ask council member huthman to sit in since she's here in person um so before us this morning we have a couple of items the first item on our agenda is agenda bill 24214 this is a contract award to the neighborhood overlays e559 this is Bid number 53b d224 so the neighborhood overlays project proposes an overlay spec to Overlay specific Street segments in the Silver Beach and samish neighborhoods in order to help preserve the city's pavement assets the project will also include installing a new water main along Northshore Drive Ada ramp upgrades and a rectangular rapid flashing beacon on Electric Avenue near Flynn Street the city publicly opened two bids on August 7th 2024 Granite Construction company is the responsible bidder who submitted the lowest responsive bid of 1,839 2386 including sales tax the engineer estimate for this project was $228,000 the project is subject to apprenticeship program requirements of BMC 4.94 and so an apprenticeship utilization requirement of 15% of the project labor hours has been included um in this project and so I'm first going to turn to Joel fun who's the interim Public Works director good member good morning uh council member Stone City Council um so yeah we are going to uh start out

by talking a little bit about the project but since we're here talking about um overlays and pavement condition in general we thought we would give a little bit of background on just the pavement Management program and what the city to tries to do to um maintain the valuable uh public asset which is our um the many Lane miles of Paving that we have out there and so to go through that I'm going to turn it over to assistant director Mike Wilson thanks Joel appreciate the opportunity to present to you on uh our pavement condition index and really our goal today is to get this contract awarded for this neighborhood overlay but we did want to touch on a few slides relative to the what the pie C is and uh you can see from this slide it's a scale that basically goes from 0 to 100 U at the top end we call it good and at the bottom it's failed uh the inputs on the PCI there's think of uh I call it glorified crack counting in the pavement so there's different types of distresses uh that uh manifest in the pipes there could be alligator cracking that looks like the back of an alligator or uh there's fatigue crack cracking reflection cracking there's like 20 different types of distresses and so there's uh modernized equipment that goes out and can assess all the pavement areas and they identify the distress type the quantity and how severe it is and then it goes into an algorithm and it generates this 0o to 100 number so that's that's some background uh on the PCI itself uh understanding

the score uh the uh individual Road sections are measured by themselves but then we we compile that all into one average score for the entire city and we we try to look to a range of between 40 and 70 ideally we'd be around 70 with our payment condition index uh shooting to be in that fair uh category uh at the top end of the fair category and uh it's important to note cost-wise it costs four times as much basically to reconstruct an entire Road and so if we can do preservation through overlays or slurry SEALS or well we don't actually use slur seals chip SEALS or uh crack seiling those uh techniques and treatments are less expensive uh to the order of magnitude of four times than than doing a complete reconstruction so it's better to work in the upper end of these uh ranges where you're doing preservation rather than complete reconstruction using this same slide and it transitions as is uh it's just got the 0 to 20 or 0 to 50 on the bottom but that's not indic indicative of any calendar year uh timing it's just uh we wanted to show in the sequence of where our pavement condition index has been falling in 2012 it was 72.1 and you can see uh 2016 69 2021 64.8 we've got another assessment that's in the queue for between now and the end of the year so we'll have additional data uh coming to us at the uh end of the year so it's trending downward but it's still in that fair category for uh pavement condition and uh so um and we've we've been addressing this via there's ongoing

overlay efforts um there a couple of different strategies we use and and uh what's before you today is a neighborhood overlay where it's really um the the agenda Bill mentions some waterline work that's happening but this is really an overlay project project that's the primary purpose of this uh project so focus on overlays on different segments of streets throughout the city on the another Technique we use is as we're repairing a water line or a sewer line example of recent nature is uh wurn project so that's where that road was uh completely overlaid but it was the primary driver on that project was the sewer line replacement and upgrade uh Valencia was similar to that where we upgraded a water line uh but in the as part of that scope of that project we overlaid the road as well so little bit different approaches on Project delivery uh but this one is strictly u a neighborhood overlay and the primary purpose is is the overlay project so our plan going forward uh segueing back to this contract award would be to uh uh have you consider for approval the the award today uh there's also some repairs that the city is initiating on uh samish way that we're coordinating with wash do on so there'll be some overlay activity independent of this overlay project as part of as as part of some maintenance uh efforts I mentioned the 2024 PCI inventory and we'll get an update there and then design is already underway for a 2025 overlay project that we'll anticipate being back in front of

you in late spring early summer with another contract award for more of a a pure overlay project and then we'll continue uh monitoring and incorporating into the scope of utility projects uh overlays as well so on the specifics of the contract award uh we had the the two biders both came in below the engineers estimate and uh as mentioned in the agenda Bill we're recommending contract award to Granite so uh happy to address any questions you may have on any of the presentation or the the contract award thank you very much um I just have a quick followup question before I open up to the rest of the committee so you mentioned that in 2024 the next PCI assessment so that's currently in process or do we have an estimated completion date and and whether or not that's Citywide or not yes uh good morning Council Mike Olinger public works so yes that is underway right now we're under contract with IMS um they're they're a national firm that does this rating it it's actually a big box truck that drives by with lasers and all sorts of shiny lights and things like that so it is underway and it will assess every Street in the city and do we have an estimation for when that will be completed before the end of the year before the end year okay yep okay um and then those results in some fashion would come back to council so all of those results are used in what what we've been before Council before with what called a perk committee so our payment and utility rating committee we've actually

changed the name of that now to the arc committee so Arc stands for asphalt risk and condition committee and that committee looks at asset asset sorry thank you Asset Risk and condition committee and they look at everything from the utilities to the street surface to all that and so those PCI scores play into that evaluation that's done by staff to evaluate can we package these together in a nice neat package to do a neighborhood overlay or or do we need to take these ones off and attach them to utility projects that are upcoming and so that information is what feeds into that to make those decisions on how we parse out what needs to be overlaid okay great I was just saying that would probably be valuable information to have as well just the assessment of road conditions Citywide especially going into the budget cycle and thinking about where where we have different priorities so um I appreciate that council member Anderson and then hutman thank you um not so much about the bed but I do appreciate um the invitation given the assessment of our roads um if we had questions and I did have a question and this might be a great time if you're not prepared to answer it I completely understand I don't want to throw you guys a curveball um recently there's a Neighbors in Puget who sent me an email regarding um one of their streets where PSC had dug into the road um and then did kind of a temporary fix with the idea that they're going to come back later to uh do Patchwork or asphalt

and it sounds like this neighborhood group has talked to every people in public works and psse but also looking at other areas of the city where when new development happens and they cut into a road and a good example is along samish and then they they have to do patch to um fill in the area where they've cut in and I've noticed in some sections within a year those patches um tend to settle or create bumps and I'm just wondering the process that when you do have a another party cutting into a City Road in order to hook up to utilities or fix their utilities and then they come back and do patching what is our monitoring system and then the obligation for that entity to fix for whatever duration um cuz we are hearing from community members um recently because of an article about the condition of roads and some of the areas that people have talked to me have been those patchworks and um previous conversations it was like well eventually we're going to re asphalt that area but it shouldn't be on the city's dime to fix those situations so if you could give me a little information on how you monitor it and then for how long is it the responsibility for for that entity to have to come back and fix it and how long do they have in order to fix that I'm kind of worried with winter coming up at least in the pet neighborhood I'll I'll end up deferring to others on this but there is a permitting process that they go through for any of those excavations in the RightWay and have to adhere

to the specifications of the city when they're restoring that the trench and that's inspected as we as it as the repairs are taking place and and as the activity of the permit is monitored U and this is where I'll have to defer I think that I believe there is I want to say it's a one-ear bond period U where they to answer your question of how long they would be on the hook to be able to that we could call them back to repair their trench there there's a one-year period That's a part of that permitting process it looks like I'm getting some head nods from from Mike so um and does the city have like a a schedule and a responsibility that before that one-year bond is up like at the 10-month Mark they go out and do an assessment to make sure that it's meeting the the level of the city yeah so that's tracked through trackit which is our our permitting software at the city and so when when an inspector looks at a site like that it creates what we call a tickle file that will come back and remind the inspector usually it's around that 10-month Mark that hey you need to go look at this again before you give it a final sign off so we we do have that in place thank youil m husman thanks for the presentation about uh Street Condition it's actually really helpful I think that we as council members get a lot of questions or comments about uh the condition of particular streets and so it's nice to kind of see a little bit of the systematic process um uh for for addressing Street conditions

what how do we rate in terms of um average pavement condition index versus other cities are size how do we are we are we average in that that are we we tend to be above average in the city are we above average do you have a sense some of the research I've done it a lot of cities appear to shoot for the 70 as a as a reasonable standard for the PCI U as a ongoing goal and that's where we're solidly in that category we we'd hope to bring it up from the where it's in the mid-60s towards the the 70 number and that's why this 2 24 assessment will help us with a data point on where we're at um but yeah r a thumb I think if you're uh 70 plus or minus you're in a reasonable State uh and reasonable condition index yeah and I I think that is the national goal is 70 um it varies by Community a lot so um older communities tend to have lower PCI averages um I think in Washington right now the average is pretty close to where we're at and around that 6 Mark um some of the smaller newer committies communities have much large much higher PCI score um but the goal is that 70 Mark as a nationally that is what all of us are striving to maintain is that average score of 70 and I would just add that you know the reason that 70 you know 60 70 is that sweet spot is that um you get much beyond that and you start to fall off into what um Mike was talking about with um the you have to do much much larger projects you can't just overlay and so therefore you get into like um some of the older communities

like city of Spokane or or city of Seattle that weren't pavement management wasn't much of a thing and once you kind of fall behind it's ve like down below I don't know 50 40 40 50 it's just almost impossible to catch back up because there's so much to do so that's why we try to hit for that the range we're in so the um the agenda B before us toate is regarding specifically the contract award for the neighborhood overlays again this is in Silver Beach and samish um regarding the responsive bid from Granite Construction I don't know if there are any questions from Council with respect to the bid award specifically Council Anderson um with that I will move approval and just the side comment I really appreciate the continuation of listing apprenti apprenticeship hours at the Preamble I think it's important for the community to see that um that is a a strong Factor coming from these contracts so thank you for adding it every time right so we have a motion before us to award contract bid 53 b-224 to Granite Construction Company there's no further discussion or questions I'll I'll call the question all those in favor say i i i any opposed or extensions okay seeing none that passes 30 and I'll bring forward that recommendation this evening so thank you very much thank you and we'll look forward to that followup later this year so the next agenda item before the committee is agenda bill 24215 this is a resolution of the city of Bellingham adopting a revised rate schedule to add a

bike Locker user fee so during development of the 2023 20 24 City budget city council requested the addition of funding to install bicycle Lockers in downtown in order to provide more secure storage options for people biking and rolling to implement the new bicycle Locker program the city's parking rate and enforcement schedule needs to be revised to establish hourly Bike Locker user fees and so these user fees help to ensure a convenient and efficient experience for people using the bike lockers um for this item again I'm going to turn to Joel fun and our own Public Works director uh once again good morning Council um so uh I am going to be talking about the setting fees bike lockers um could you go next side Mike I'm helped out here by Mike Wilson assistant Public Works director um and then um Steve Hogan superintendent uh and um then uh Natalie Monroe uh one of our Communications people has been helping out a lot with this project as we set up this new program so um what we're going to be talking talking about um the the item before you again is kind of a small piece of this which is that uh setting the rates but since it is a brand new program we thought we would talk a little bit about the background of the program uh talk about um how we're setting it up the rules and rates and then also um just at the end the we're recommending the approval of the resolution setting the rates so next slide please so a little bit of background um we do have some very you know clear uh

policy support for this um in the newly adopted bicycle master plan I'm providing secure short-term and long-term um bike storage is something that's a priority when we think about really that complete bike trip um or rolling trip where it's you know there's all the different pieces of getting your stuff together making the trip putting your bike someplace and stuff like that so at each step you know people have a have a choice that they can make around how they travel and um and the easier we can make that bike or rolling trip the more likely that people are to make that trip um and one of the concerns is um is my bike going to be there when I get back um after I uh go where I'm going to go and so um that is a concern we do have you know a history of um 182 bike thefts in downtown last year that were reported um and to this end uh city council requested adding um this Bike Locker program to the 2023 2024 budget as part of that process so we've been working on that slide please um so I talk a little bit about the bike Locker program um these this is you know a representation of what the Bike Locker is going to look like uh we got them uh in this green color which is consistent with some bike parking markings that we have at the Commercial Street Garage so we just kind of continued that and kind of the treatment there and um and so we'll make sure they feature prominently and identify what they are and and that the city is putting these in so next slide so um really who's our

target audience we have um kind of three different groups that we're we're thinking about once again there's some real differences between a a short-term how you might park a bike for a short term like uh if you're just in grabbing you know grabbing a bag old downtown or something like that or uh if you're going to be there all day and so when we think about bike commuters we're thinking about more of a long-term storage um and in many cases some places there's there is internal storage where people can store their bikes inside you know many of our new developments have that kind of uh stuff but in other places say in downtown there might not be as much of that bike storage available so um long-term you know bike parking is usually more secure it's covered keeps the bike dry because it's going to be out in the weather and and I say bike but this could apply to um other devices as well uh we have heard from folks in the community that you know if you have a scooter or something like that it's not as easy to lock that up and secure it on a on a typical well-designed bike rack so um it could work in those cases too um commuters by transit is another area where we think about uh this is a kind of a first mile Last Mile solution maybe you live you know too far from the downtown Bellingham station and um you don't really uh you know want to walk but you know you're not so far that you want to really hassle with the bus and do the whole transfer and or maybe you're on something that

has less frequent um bus trips and so it makes that transfer more difficult you know if you could hop on your bike especially if it's a heavier bike that's more difficult to load on the front of the um bike racks that WTA provides um this would be an option uh in those cases too and then downtown visitors people who um may be new to the community they're you know from places where they don't maybe feel at all comfortable leaving their bike unlocked outside or they have very expensive bikes or they're just different Comfort levels for different people and this provides another option so uh next slide please um so we are going to be putting these in two locations um six at this Commercial Street Parking Garage those are going to be one-sided they're going to be right in uh we have a bunch of shortterm bike parking uh undercover there and it really is kind of un underutilized so we're going to remit leaving some of that you know short-term um bike parking but we're going to be replacing um a significant portion of it with the um bike lockers and then we are going to be putting eight two-sided they kind of they're trying they're kind of cut the rectangle in half and you can enter a bike from both sides um and uh we're going to put eight of those at the corner Railroad and Champion right next to the um WTA um Bellingham station downtown and so um hopefully that covers a good portion of downtown and people can try these out when it's um when it's convenient next slide please so

really how it works is it's um it's um handled through a uh an app that's how you check them out uh this is pretty much standard practice throughout the the industry there were you know bike lockers have been around quite a while different um you know before the Advent of the app um because it just seems like a logical thing to do um but in the end um none of those programs were particularly successful on a small scale you know where you could have like a valet service or something you know you see in some places in in Europe or something like that that's different but in in the United States it's been very difficult so the app is a great way for us to manage those lockers so you download the app um you have to uh create a a wallet I'll get into that in a little bit more detail um when we get into the pricing um you check out a locker and um you put your bike in it you set the amount of time and then when you come back um you can uh retrieve your bike and you know you close the locker and off you go so um it's it's intended to be pretty pretty simple especially once you're initially set up next slide please uh next slide so um rules and rates um we're going to we're going to be uh establishing very clear rules both on the website and um posted on the lockers that the lockers are for a specific use they're supposed to be for bikes scooters similar devices and then related equipment helmets um bike shoes paneers those kinds of things they're um they're not for people they're

not for pets um we're you know they're not for storage storing illegal substances flammables those types of things or for just storing litter um and then we do have a uh a 14-day limit um where after 14 days we will be considering a bicycle abandoned and um and retrieving it and we have a process we'll be treating that very similar to how we deal with abandoned vehicles next slide please and so so as for the rates um what you'll do very similar uh to if you have a Starbucks card or um a good to go pass like um the State Department of Transportation has um you uh set up a a five you make a $5 minimum deposit into your wallet and then um that is charged against um when you uh rent a locker you're rented it was rented at 5 cents an hour for up to 10 days and then um 12 cents after 10 days or whatever number of hours that you've set on um on your on your rental um and so uh that's that's really simply how it's supposed to work um the service charges there's a 6% service charge and a 30 c um transaction charge uh that is takes place with the $5 and what we're doing is we are um kind of uh it it's kind of complicated a little bit but what we're doing is we are absorbing that so we are actually um you know receiving more like as the city 4 cents per hour for every um charge because it's it's coming out of the $5 but what the person on the other end sees is they're getting charged 5 cents an hour hopefully that makes sense um so uh that's intended to be uh you know how it's supposed

to work we did take this to the Transportation Commission earlier this year which is consistent with um our rate setting um ordinance and um and so they endorsed moving forward with implementing The Bike Locker program and this as the as the rate structure and let's see with that we're recommending um the resolution Council passed the resolution to set the the fees and we'd be happy to answer any questions great thank you very much I'll turn to the committee first for questions council member Anderson um just to verify the um 6% and the 30 uh cents per transaction does that get paid to the the app um or is that a city fee that will be charged to the for the city that gets paid to the app and the for the credit card transactions so that's their their portion of that $5 so my concern would be that if there's a 30 um per transaction fee and someone is only renting the locker for two hours because they're shopping downtown we're at a loss of 20 cents per transaction yeah so is that being monitored so that we can make that adjustment if we find that's the higher percent of use and that's where it's it's it's hard to kind of describe that it's a little counter to it so the that's the purpose of the $5 minimum charge to set up up your wallet is it's against the $5 that the 30 cents and the 6% which coincidentally is also 30 cents so basically you put $5 into your wallet 60 cents goes to kind of administering the app there's $440 left and then basically the city receives 4.4 cents

for every hour but to the person it just looks like 5 cents um thank you that makes sense I was worried that it would be each time they rented versus each time they loaded the funds yeah just if you were going to go on to something else that was what I just wanted to confirm I think your question cleared that up in my mind but so the $5 minimum transaction is not per use correct that transaction is just to right initiate it's like putting $20 on your Starbucks card and so that transaction happens and then draw down that okay Bank okay so I was like that's 100 hours and like four to five days of a minimum right stay and and part of the thought process there is also since it is focused on long-term that that $5 if you're a regular user you know that's like 10 days or something like that that would actually you know we tried to be reasonable in setting it as something meaningful but not exorbitant Council Anderson so I'm just I'm glad we're getting the lockers I think they're very much needed um I was a little bit surprised that this tends to be more for like a longer term use versus a shortterm um use and my concern is if there's only like eight Lockers in one location and you have people residing downtown storing their motorcycle in there because they don't have anywhere else to park how are we going to prevent eight people from monopolizing those lockers and high use I know that there's a limit of how many days but is there something that prevents them from just going to the

locker next door and doing another 14 days there total and so forth well no we don't have a mechanism to do that and that is you know that has always been I think a bit of the struggle with Bike Locker programs in general is how do you make sure that it's for bikes that are being used and I think um we do have you know this will be another thing that our um parking enforcement folks will be taking on and so they will be you know checking on the lockers regularly to make sure that they're being used appropriately but I think we'll also be collecting kind of observational data about um how who's using them we also have there's a whole backend related to the did you want to talk little maybe a little bit about that yeah it off Steve Hogan superintendent traffic and parking um yeah so we looked at um other users within our region I would call it within Washington and Oregon and they we we pretty much plagiarized their their race so we could be consistent with what other people are doing um the uh the lockers we purposefully um ordered them with perforation so we can our our crews like Joel mentioned um our parking uh well enforcement and mainus crews are downtown daily and so we're going to have them monitor the lockers and through the maintenance app um it looks similar to the usage app but we will have all the data of all the users and the rentals and so um we want to be Kindler and gentler but if we see a pattern like you're talking about we will reach out and have a

conversation with them about what the intent is thank you I was hoping that would be the response is that the data would be available to be able to track that council member hman um so with the the the physical infrastructure of the lockers is that paired with only this software system or is it interchangeable with other software systems let's say we find that this system isn't working for us very well um would we have to replace the infrastructure entirely or get it just a new software system great question um the vendor when we were going through through the procurement process moax was the suggested um app but um with the duracore brand Locker we purchased there is flexibility if we need to Pivot and go to something different so they are interchangeable question and then I'll go back to council member Anderson um so similarly with respect to the location I know that you mentioned there would be six lockers at Commercial Street and 8 at the WTA station downtown um what's involved in the installation of those lockers and how permanent is that installation in that would they be able to be you know moved relocated and I know that um there were some questions that had come up as the library has been talking about sort of revitalizing that Plaza outside of the library and we were talking about bike lockers they're like oh I wonder if we could get a locker or two down there so just curious if those decisions are in stone now and or how permanent that is going forward so I I think

you know we are um being a new program we are uh we came up with these locations as you know hopefully places that we the program can be successful and you know it can create some you know some market for that that we have also been approached by uh WTA and interest about having lockers out at Cordata um but it's I would say at this point we're being given that it's a whole new program we've got kind of these sites set up we've got them measured we know that the two-sided and one-sided lockers fit and um and we're kind of fixated on these and um I would love to be you know frankly back here in a year talking about how successful this program is and how we're expanding it to the library and Cordata um Transit Center or something like that so uh yeah now I mean in many ways um the uh the heavy lifting from the you know setting up the program is done um certainly there's an incremental cost to adding additional lockers and you know their location would impact the enforcement downtown's really nice because we have lots of that's where our parking enforcement people are and a lot of other staff but um but yeah so that's a kind of long way to say we're kind of fix fixated on these locations right now Anderson thank you um a little bit about the the software um since this is a a thirdparty vendor that were did we are we entering a contract with them to use this app so that we have access to the data of who is reserving and then when it comes to it who's ultimately responsible for

the security of that user data CU I imagine that there's the one app where the payment is being made then there's another one that might interface with that that is the reservation system where we would get that data um I'd just like to know a little bit more about the security for it and the relationship with that if you know it if not you can send it to me later as someone who just recently had a deal with credit card that through a thirdparty vendor got um snagged and started purchasing things all over the Internet under my credit card and still dealing with that um I really start looking at the city's relationship with that payment collection with another outside app and if there like a hold harmless agreement that if someone's data is stolen and their credit card and stuff that they're not going to come after the city because of where they had the point end of um use I think Steve has um some of the details but I would say you know in general um you know we had we had hoped to um get this whole thing up and running like you know acknowledging that September may not be the best time to be implementing bike lockers with the ex you know impending fall I mean our goal was to do this all in May but making sure that we got um exactly what you're talking about right um working with it and finance and our uh city attorney's office to make sure that we're you know we're protected and we're doing all those things is you know part of the intervening months um so um you know I'm

sure on details you might be able to add maybe a little bit but that's that's what we've been working on over the summer yeah there's not much to add to that um we did go through the it process and got by off and then um Matt St stamps and our legal Department reviewed the terms and conditions um and I don't want to put words into Matt's mouth but he said it was very um kind of standard language uh so that's where I'll leave it unless Matt wants to make a comment yeah hello Matt stamp city attorney's office I did review the contract it did as well it is standard language which is generally very favorable to the software companies not to the customer so their liability is generally limited to the value of the contract which is standard standard language thank you um will we be having um any language ability for when people um are reserving that as far as liability again I'm just with breach of technology and stealing people's ID every time we interface with something we don't have favorable terms with it makes me a little nervous not to say we won't do it I just want to make sure that we're not being Revisited six years from now with um a lawsuit because people's information was stolen um it's becoming much more prevalent um with these kind of applications and it makes me a little nervous yeah sadly that that's true uh the it's been a while since I looked at this contract but my recollection is that it's standard what you see with other apps when you sign up you're going to

get this the the user is going to get the standard terms and conditions with the with the typical disclaimers that you see um and then they'll have to sign you know through that clip I think they call it click wrap where you know we're all used to that now you got to check the box and read the fine print or in the reverse order read the fine print check the box so they will be advised of of of of the terms and any limitations on liability and that's the company's liability or is there one for the city too um there is both actually yeah thank you that's what I wanted to hear that we'll have something there as a disclaimer so I know that this gen items with respect to the fees um I do have another question just related to its use and the rules so I know that you know it was highlighted that this is for you know bike scooters similar Transportation devices related equipment not for humans or pets illegal substances litter right specifically but in thinking about um members of our community who have um right things that roll that carry their belongings whether that's a grocery cart or a wagon or something else if so I'm just wanting to know on a policy level how we're planning to approach this because I have some reservation I feel like that's very discretionary right if we're going to say oh that's litter versus someone's belongings if they're storing them there to keep them dry while they go somewhere right maybe that's to an interview or maybe it's shopping or um whatever that

may be and so then right prioritizing someone's expensive bike over someone's belongings that maybe we say are in poor condition and right um so I'm just wondering how much right internal dialogue there's been I don't know if this these are questions for you know Natalie on the communication side and you know how we're going to do Outreach and engage with the community um but I want to have some clear guidance in advance because I yeah because I I just feel like it could go south quickly and needing to be clear about how we're approaching it while also wanting to be respectful of the varied uses and needs that our community members may have that may be served by these lockers so I think what we're going to attempt to do on the lockers and through our communication is that they you know they are for you know Transportation storage um and um you know moving visiting downtown moving to and from and they're not um you know they're not a a storage device a storage locker so we're gonna you're you're you know you're right it is um you know that's part of the kind of you know anytime we're testing out something new um it's a whole new program and it's been a you know part part of that challenge of getting it all set up but um but trying to hit that so that we're kind of being clear is something I think we're we're still working on but you know here in the last days but you know your Point's well taken it's something we've thought a lot about we're going to try to communicate that

clearly Mr Stan yeah I was just going to add to that I think to be real direct I think the idea is that these are not for like shopping carts with belongings it's for transportation devices that can move a human being like a bicycle or a onewheel or something to that effect any other questions from Council Council M Anderson I'll move approval okay so we have a motion before us um and that would be a motion to approve the resolution which is included in the packet adopting a revised parking rate schedule to add a bike Locker user fee there's no further discussion or questions don't see any online either um I'll call the question all those in favor say I I I any opposed or exensions seeing none that passes 30 and I'll bring that forward this evening as well um and I it made me a question then just in followup I think on those last points and thinking about that um and I note that the mayor's not with us and Janice had to step out so I'll put a pin in it but just wanting some direction on which department may be best um suited I'm thinking it might be public works if there was further discussion about storage lockers um where that would initiate so I'm thinking public works but it may be May cover different departments so to be continued but thank you very much for your time so we don't have any other items on the agenda for Public Works any further items from committee at this time um if not we will adjourn that's the end of committee meetings for this morning but the council